Chelsea in real life, and in Jeff's sketchbook. I like the sleepy eyes and protruding lower lip--but yeah, that schnoz does take center stage. |
Anyway, back when Jeff originally put the picture on his Instagram feed, he immediately experienced one of those weird instances only possible because we're living in the future hive-mind. Jeff actually was contacted pretty quickly by Ms. Peretti herself--who said she did not appreciate the picture or the hashtag. Jeff kindly shared his screencaps with me, which I now share with you.
Okay, take a moment to read through the back-and-forth on there. Go ahead, I'll wait. Then let's discuss.
All right . . . first off, let me say that if Johnny Depp had contacted me to criticize any of the 21 Jumpstreet drawings I did of him in the late 80s, I would have freaked right the hell out. But with the amazing power of the hashtag, any fan, commentator, artist, or teenaged worshipper can sometimes get the attention of a celebrity--whether or not they are trying to. Sure, hashtaggers might be attention hounds eager for any celeb eyeball time . . . or they might just be trying to create an easily indexable set of drawings, or reach out to other fans, or identify the subject if that person isn't particularly well known (as I said, I had never heard of her until recently).
Chelsea came in like a hammer: immediately calling for Jeff's death and forcing an early proof of Goodwin's Law by getting to Hitler in her second comment.
All right though, she's a comedian. They get an initial pass on stuff that might make me think someone is a raging asshole . . . she might be saying those things ironically, like in a comedian way.
But she goes on. She's irked that she was tagged. She states that other caricatures Jeff did made women look hot (did she take the time to look through his feed then, see other drawings of his?). She claims that caricatures aren't a super tricky art form, just give people big noses if they have a big nose.
Well, okay, yeah she has a point. Caricature can be highly rendered and incredibly complex--but it can also be a delightfully simple art form. If you drew a caricature of someone like Chelsea and gave them a small nose, the caricature would fail. But she echoes a joke I often tell when people ask me what caricature is. I say "Well some people think it's just a cartoon drawing with a big nose, but that's a vicious rumor started by people who are angry that they have big noses."
The comment exchange ends with her eloquently quipping "I don't hope you die I hope you have to make your living as a caricature artist bye boo boo."
Jeff is pretty calm, in my opinion, and retains some class and etiquette. He's a little sarcastic but he never name calls or derides her profession. And he complies with her request to remove tag and his other post. He tells her he likes her work and doesn't think she's ugly.
I didn't think she was ugly. Not until the comment thread anyway.
But seriously, it gets more irritating. I had heard she mentioned caricatures in her Netflix special, so I dialed it up and watched the whole thing. At minute 36, she talks about how social media and "comment culture" might have damaged great minds and artistic geniuses of the past. How young comedians at early stages of development might have their "artistic journey" stunted by jerks commenting about them online. She's being cheeky and sarcastic, but she's clearly trying to make the point on behalf of comedians.
Yeah, young comedians should be protected from that sort of thing, of course. How awful that they have to deal with folks saying rude things to them online. Like wishing them dead or comparing them to Hitler.
At minute 39, she mentions googling herself and discovering Jeff's caricature. She calls him "someone" and doesn't mention his name, but she talks about commenting on it and repeats these comments pretty verbatim. The audience laughs. She gives Jeff a saucy French accent and guesses he might have been at a State Fair when he posted it. She rips on the general art form and says its a way for bullies to get into art.
More laughs. Now, she's no dummy. Jeff pretty much handed her material to use on her comedy special. She used it, she's making great money from it, and if you ask me she really owes Jeff a fruit basket and a thank-you card, at the very least.
Chelsea dishing it out. |
I have one big piece of evidence that tells me Chelsea really cannot be all that sensitive about the size of her nose. One big, anchor-shaped piece of evidence that sits in the center of her face. After years in the spotlight and probably seeing hundreds of troll comments saying "this chick would be hot if she just got a nose job," she has not yet paid an LA doctor to hack it off her face. I commend that. Having listened to her comedy special, I would say with confidence that any surgical change to her nose would throw off the nasally voice she does as a gag to describe her selfish or bored thoughts. It works for her the way it is now, she is smart to keep her nose. Kudos to you, Ms. Peretti. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Drew Friedman's take on Jerry Lewis. |
As I have said before, racialized features are a hot button--yet, if you think logically on it, isn't erasing or ignoring that feature way more offensive than celebrating it? If a feature has become identified as indicative of a certain race, then downplaying it would be dishonest and disrespectful. It says "I like you as a comedian, but wow, if I draw your nose the way it is you'll look JEWISH and that would be AWFUL, so I'll clean you up a bit and de-Jew you . . . there, isn't that better?" How condescending. My motto is that if a caricature is done with love, if the intent is celebration, then try and look at the art with that in mind.
Plenty of caricatures are done in celebration. If you want to take a tour of funny-looking caricatures of well-loved comedians, start with a search of "Robin Williams caricature" on google and see how many drawings make fun of his nose (not to mention his body hair, his beady eyes, his chin, and his lipless grin). With his recent death, many many artists took to the internet and posted their drawings of him out of respect and love. No one was trying to skewer the guy.
Beautiful Robin Williams caricatures by Paul Moyse, Anthony Geoffroy, and Jeff Stahl. |
Robin is missed, and loved, by so many who make their living going for laughs--be it in the standup arena or on paper in theme parks and yes, State Fairs. These caricatures really do well at capturing his expression and evoking the feeling of who he was. I cannot imagine him complaining about how his nose grandly protrudes and dips below his mouth in all these depictions.
Anyone remember Jennifer Grey? She had a face, a memorable cute face. Then she erased it. Still cute, but now more meh-morable than memorable. |
Too many women with great noses, or great unique features, are hacking them off and smoothing them out once they arrive to Hollywood. And I'm not sure doing so really does them any favors. Pretty might be pretty but it's a dime a dozen. Barbie doll features are only good for so long, and they're interchangeable. I'd like to think that stand-up comics are akin to caricature artists in that they have developed a really fine-tuned ability to make fun of themselves, and one another. Louis CK has elevated self-deprecation and making fun of his schlumpy, aging ginger appearance into an art form. Anyone who has seen a celebrity roast knows these guys (and gals) can really take it and dish it out when it comes to lampooning each other. A big-nose drawing should not truly rankle any comedian.
I'm glad Ms. Peretti's nose is still intact, and if her reaction to Jeff was an honest one, I hope she eventually gets a little more loosened up about having it drawn. If Robin Williams is any example, the more famous and beloved you become as a comic, the more people will be drawing you. Many of these drawings will have big noses, because you have a big nose. Some will be exaggerated, because that is what caricature does. And you have a choice at how you react to this. You can try and bully the artists one by one into removing hashtags and taking down their work (just, if this is the way you go, beware the Streisand Effect) . . . or you can embrace any caricatures you find as proof that you are getting more widely known and beloved.
From John Martinez's deviant art page, part of a larger collection he did of the whole Brooklyn Nine Nine cast. |
As for my end, I promise to do my best and refrain from going onto young comedian's Twitter or Instagram feeds to compare them to Hitler and hope that they die. Because, you know, that might stifle their artistic development.
And Jeff, I too hope you make your living as a caricature artist. You're damn good at it, boo boo.
Love your blog. Thanks for the links - I had no idea what the Streisand effect was - how funny that your were able to take an effect named for a famously large nosed female celebrity and find a way to apply it to this blog.
ReplyDeleteTrying to imagine what the offspring would look like if Chelsea and Rush singer/bassist Geddy Lee were to mate.
ReplyDeleteI hope she doesn't read this, because Robin Williams.
ReplyDeleteI personally think Chelsea is extremely hot. She is on the Smoking Guns Worlds Dumbest.... series. I find her funny, with a genuine cuteness to go with a great body and a pretty face. Her nose adds personality. But the caricature Jeff made was over the top. I found this blog because I did a google search for Chelsea Peretti and one of the first pictures included the caricature because of this blog. I agree with her that the artist went way over the top. Jeff could have exaggerated her nose without making her look like a witch. Oh I forgot, Chelsea has great breasts!!
ReplyDeleteI personally think Chelsea is extremely hot. She is on the Smoking Guns Worlds Dumbest.... series. I find her funny, with a genuine cuteness to go with a great body and a pretty face. Her nose adds personality. But the caricature Jeff made was over the top. I found this blog because I did a google search for Chelsea Peretti and one of the first pictures included the caricature because of this blog. I agree with her that the artist went way over the top. Jeff could have exaggerated her nose without making her look like a witch. Oh I forgot, Chelsea has great breasts!!
ReplyDeleteSo, what's so bad about an over-the-top caricature that absolutely nails the subject?
ReplyDeleteGreat post Celestia, and in honour of the Streisand Effect, I will duly share this on Facebook and Twitter ;)
ReplyDeleteFascinating post. Reminds me of an encounter with the late James Gandolfini.
ReplyDeleteI stumbled upon a Sopranos shoot in Queens one day and Gandolfini was signing autographs during a break. I knew that Drew Friedman had drawn him on the cover of a recent Mad and that Mad loves to have celebs pose with copies. I went home, got the issue and brought it to him to be photographed.
Drew depicted him with a HUGE hairy belly. I showed it to him and started to explain that I occasional drew for Mad, would he pose for a pic, etc.
He thought I said that I drew the cover.
He looked at it, then rolled it up and slapped me on the head with it as he said "Why'd you make me so #%@&! fat!?!"
Then he laughed and winked.
I wanted him to sign it but instead he kept it, giggling as he walked off reading it.
I like to tell people that I was "whacked" by Tony Soprano.
http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2013/06/20/rip-james-gandolfini-actor
The things that make us famous.
ReplyDeleteBig noses of famous people and people who write about them.
Ugh. I like her and saw his image as an exaggerated homage. Her face has character. I get it's probably hard to not be obsessed with your appearance as a Hollywood actress, but she's also a comedian - embrace it or at least take it in stride.
ReplyDeleteBeyond the hypocrisy of belittling him & his craft, her ultimate sin is not being funny here. The more I think about it, without writers, she was mostly dead weight on my favorite episodes of Comedy Bang Bang, and she may be good at her shallow, narcissistic, self-aggrandizing bully character on Brooklyn 99 because she's just being herself, the way I once thought Victoria Jackson did an excellent satire of "the dumb blonde" trope until I saw her on PolitiChicks.
That caricature is awful. Bottom line. It makes her look like a hideous troll, and she's a pretty woman. If a guy sat next to a girl in class and showed something like that to her out of the blue, he'd either get slapped or she'd run off crying or both. Just because she jokes about her own nose doesn't actually give everyone the green light to mock her for it, as well, which is what that drawing does. People make fun of their own insecurities as a defense mechanism, a way of beating others to the punch, a cathartic way of acknowledging something as apposed to bottling it up. She's probably been made fun of most of her life for it, and being a female, there's more pressure for her to look attractive, so it's more of an insecurity than it is for most men with big noses, where people just say "it adds character." I have no idea why this guy thought showing a woman such a shit caricature drawing of her would be a good idea. "Hey, look how ugly I made you! Wait... why you mad?" Idiot.
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DeleteGreat reply. The caricature is just awful. Biggest sin: not exaggerated, but failed because perrety's facial characteristics cannot be recognosed at all. All other examples are quite the opposite. Sure not the same author. It's not about nose, its just plain bad.
DeleteIts just not a good caricature, so all the discourse on her value, looks, self worth etc is moot.
DeleteWhy do you keep referencing her gender? I thought everyone was equal (and thus equal opportunity for jokes) in our great society.
DeleteExpected better of her than to drop a Holocaust reference. Thought she was smarter than that.
ReplyDeleteWhatever, did he do one of her coworker Fumero's gigantic five-head? Or is one of those still aeshetically pleasing due to the typical male's borderline pedophilic pre-occupation with child-like features?
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ReplyDeletePeretti is correct. This looks like a nazi drew it.
ReplyDeleteThat drawing was disrespectful and ugly he didn't make himself look half as bad as he did with Chelsea. What I don't understand why she has beautiful face and sexy body why would he draw her like that, what was he thinking lmfao. If I was him I would want her to comment on how cool my art is but I'm sure the artist is quite satisfied considering he butchered her in every way he could.
ReplyDeleteby the way the drawing of Salvador Dali in black and white looked really great.
DeleteIt's not Godwin's law when it's actually related to Jewish caricatures.
ReplyDeleteExactly, this is anti-semitic. It would be fine if the nose wasn't essentially the only thing exaggerated. This isn't a caricature of her, it's a caricature of her nose. This blog post is full of logical fallacies, misapplied wikipedia sourced laws or rules, and gaslighting.
DeleteStop playing the Race Card -- It's Personal & has Nothing to do with Race !
DeleteIt does look like nazi propaganda. He just portrayed her ugliness without being funny, charming or interesting. He could have put some smile or some happiness or something funny on it, he didn´t.
ReplyDeleteIt's a bit off. I mean it's just not a great pic. It's not silly and other than the recessed chin, the nose is the only thing exaggerated. I think that's the problem. It's like if I drew oprah and only made her butt gigantic. Or I only made Trump's hands tiny...it's just asking for bad reactions. Exposure for sure, but not the right exposure. This is like something an angry boyfriend world draw..like in bad taste. Or..yeah a propagandist in the 40's. It's tough doing caricatures though because there is a fine line there between funny and offensive..but that's how comedy is and that's how art is. This is my opinion, and everyone gets to have one. There is no fact. People just organize and if enough people complain then the drawing is offensive and I guess that's that. For ANYONE to wish you dead though...yeah she loses respect for her opinion with that. I see people write that all the time on line, mostly when talking politics. It's PATHETIC of her. I'm years late, but so what. God Bless!
ReplyDeleteOops, I meant under bite, not recessed. Hey the ears are exaggerated too...hmm. I was wrong. Still, that nose is just too much. It's it's own entity!
ReplyDeleteIt was obviously a quick sketch, anyway... it's not like he was commissioned to draw her for TIME magazine or anything. Unfortunately the Internet breeds this sort of madness...
ReplyDeleteChelsea isn't even that funny all I can remember her in is that show world's dumbest. She is pretty ugly & her and jordan peele make the ugliest celebrity couple in history.
ReplyDeleteIf it resembles Nazi propaganda, it would only be because they were drawing Jews with big noses. She's a Jew with a big nose. So, yeah, that's how it's going to look.
ReplyDelete"artistic development" lol y'all aren't artists. you're just professional bullies. meanwhile Chelsea Peretti is a successful comedian who brings laughter into the world. no one's stopping anyone else from making anti-semitic garbage art, but don't expect a positive response. freedom of expression goes both ways.
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ReplyDeleteI've seen other very exaggerated caricatures of Chelsea Peretti that greatly focus on her nose, but I find this drawing to be the only actually offensive one. The thing is, the nose is IMMENSELY exaggerated while other features are only slightly modified or not at all. If you're gonna exaggerate one feature that much, you need to make everything match that level (which means making big things really big, small things really small, etc), the Robin Williams examples given here are great at doing that. He is even more exaggerated while still looking like Robin Williams, but I wouldn't have recognized Chelsea Peretti in the drawing in question. Exaggerating just the nose does make it look like it was made by a skilled bully trying to make her look like a witch. I know the artist probably didn't have that intention, and I've seen his other works and he's actually really good; this was just a poorly made caricature, and I wouldn't judge Chelsea for finding it offensive.
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